For most people, the gay marriage debate comes down to a legal question, but for same-sex couples, it is a much more fundamental issue.
It's Thursday night in the MacPherson-Stolen house.
Sixteen-year-old Abbey is getting ready for her guitar lesson, while Rob makes dinner and Steven is playing with the family's newly adopted dog, Michael.
"We're just a family like everybody else," said Steve who's been a couple with Rob for 27 years. The pair married in California six years ago, but their marriage is not recognized in Indiana.
Steven and Rob are in a fight to change that. The couple, including Abbey, is one of several plaintiffs in a case against Indiana
because of its ban on same-sex marriage.
"Why are we treated any differently just because we're two men?" asked Rob.
"This is normal to me," said Abbey, who was adopted by Rob and Steven at birth, chosen to be her parents, they said, by her birth mother.
"I mean, I don't know different," Abbey added.
"I think it's okay to wish that your daughter could say her parents are married, especially if they've been together the whole time," said Steven.
This father may be one step closer to that wish.
After Thursday's decision by a U.S. Appeals Court upheld an earlier decision ruling Indiana's same sex marriage ban unconstitutional, this wasn't just any Thursday night in the MacPherson-Stolen house.
For this family, it was one step closer to possibly being a part of an historic decision for same sex couples and their children.
"What happened today with this is an affirmation that families are families and the people who care about each other, care about each other," said Steven.
"I don't think the people who think we're so different have really had much experience with families like ours," added Abbey.
Families, this family said, that have the same hopes, dreams, concerns and responsibilities, just like everyone else.
"I just know that we're the same and it feels the same and I don't see what the big deal is," said Abbey.
An issue, though, that doesn't seem like a big deal to this teenager, may just end up in front of and ultimately decided by, the highest court in the land.
The family said if the issue ends up in front of the U.S. Supreme Court, they'll be there.